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The following was sent to me by Chief Paul Opera

I read the original article in the Stars and Stripes where this reporter
tried to convey we get too much. I also read A1C Bragg's rebuttal
to her. It's great reading, pass it on to anyone you know who's served
and the next time this young reporter decides to open her obviously
ignorant mouth then we military members can pass on our feelings
about her to the people she works for. - Paul
On 12 Jan, Ms Cindy Williams wrote a piece for the Washington Times
denouncing the pay raise(s) coming service members way this year-citing
that the stated 13% wage gap was bogus. A young airman from Hill AFB
responds to her article (see below)--IT IS A CLASSIC!!!

I'm proud of A1C Bragg for both his "thoughts" and his ability to
articulate them so well. ENJOY THIS PIECE...AND PASS IT ON TO ALL

Ms. Williams:

I just had the pleasure of reading your column of 12 Jan 00,
"Our GIs Earn Enough,"
and I am a bit confused. Frankly, I'm wondering where this
vaunted overpayment is going, because as far as I can tell, it
disappears every month between DFAS (The Defense Finance
and Accounting Service) and my bank account. Checking my
latest leave and earnings statement (LES), I see that I make
$1,117.80, before taxes. After taxes, I take home $874.20.

When I run that through Windows' Calculator, I come up with an annual
salary of $13,413.60 before taxes, and $10,490.40 after. I work in the
Air Force Network Control Center (AFNCC), where I am part of the team
responsible for the administration of a 25,000 host computer network.

I am involved with infrastructure management, specifically with Cisco
Systems equipment. A quick check of under
jobs for Network Technicians in the Washington, D.C. area reveals a
position in my career field, requiring three years' experience with my job.

Amazingly, this job does NOT pay $13,413.60 a year, nor does it
pay less than this. No, this job is being offered at $70,000 to $80,000
per annum. I'm sure you can draw the obvious conclusions. Also,
you tout increases to Basic Allowance for Housing and Basic
Allowance for Sustenance (housing and food allowances, respectively)
as being a further boon to an already overcompensated force. Again,
I'm curious as to where this money has gone, as BAH and BAS were
both slashed 15% in the Hill AFB area effective in January 00.

Given the tenor of your column, I would assume that you have
never had the pleasure of serving your country in her armed forces.
Before you take it upon yourself to once more castigate congressional
and DoD leadership for attempting to get the families in the military's
lowest pay brackets of AFDC, WIC, and food stamps, I suggest that
you join a group of deploying soldiers headed for Saudi-
I leave the choice of service branch up to you.

Whatever choice you make, though, opt for the six month rotation:
it will guarantee you the longest possible time away from your
family and friends, thus giving you the full "deployment experience."
As your group prepares to board the plane, make sure to note the
spouses and children who are saying goodbye to their loved ones.
Also take care to note that several families are still unsure of how
they'll be able to make ends meet while the primary breadwinner is
gone-obviously they've been squandering the vast piles of cash
the DoD has been giving them.

Try to deploy over a major holiday; Christmas and Thanksgiving
are perennial favorites. And when you're actually over there,
sitting in a DFP (Defensive Fire Position, the modern-day foxhole),
shivering against the cold desert night, and the flight sergeant
tells you that there aren't enough people on shift to relieve you
for chow, remember this: trade whatever MRE you manage to
get for the tuna noodle casserole or cheese tortellini, and add
Tabasco to everything. Talk to your loved ones as often as you
are permitted; it won't nearly be long enough or often enough,
but take what you can get and be thankful for it.

You may have picked up on the fact that I disagree with most of the
points you present in your op-ed piece. But, to borrow from Voltaire,
I will defend to the death your right to say it. You see, I am an
American fighting man, a guarantor of your First Amendment rights
and every other right you cherish. On a daily basis, my brother and
sister soldiers worldwide ensure that you and people like you can
thumb your collective nose at us, all on a salary that is nothing short
of pitiful and under conditions that would make most people cringe.

We hemorrhage our best and brightest into the private sector because
we can't offer the stability and pay of civilian companies.

And you, Ms. Williams,
have the gall to say that we make more than we deserve?

A1C Michael Bragg
DSN: 777-0743 COM: (801) 777-0743
FAX: (801) 777-7176

Im interested in obtaining a copy of the cruise book
from the first Med cruise.
If you have one, or any suggestions, please let me know.
(Leigh D. Allvord MM3)

A young lady, Julie, is looking for her long lost sailor off the Indy.
His name is Mark A. Dubiel QM3 (a young sailor alos). He served
aboard Indy until about 3/23/98 and was transferred to a mapping agency
in Washington D.C. I don't know if they ever met in person as they
were pen pals. She really is interested in contacting him.
If you have any information please contact
(Mike Couture ATR3)

I Was Wondering, I Crossed The Line In 1994 When We Went
To Australia and I Never Received My "SHELLBACK CARD".
I Have Pictures To Prove That I Went Through The Polly Wog
Program. email me and let me know, if possible, what I can do
to receive my card and certificate.
(Lueranze B. Johnson AZ2)

In 1972 I lost both cruise books in tropical storm Agnes
and its resultant flood. Since then, I have been trying to
find a copy of either cruise book to no avail.
(Barry Erick ET1)

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